No.1252
I'd rather play a solid handcrafted 6-8 hour game than play 200 hours of MMO "content".
No.1255
Never really played any MMOs, seems like it would only be fun if you have a lot of irl friends who are also into it
No.1268
>>1252the 'fun' part of MMO is the social aspect tho
No.1269
>>1268Anything is fun with friends, even grindy MMO shit
No.1275
>>1269ya but the thing about MMOs is the social aspects are built out way more than other types of games
No.1279
Isn't MMO dead? To me it the gimmick of mid 00s.
No.1282
>>1279doesn't look like it
ESO has about 15-20k online at all times
No.1287
>>1281>>1282My one friend who was a big wow nerd for a LOOOONG time took up ESO a year ago and he's on that shit hard. In some ways I'd say it's a zero sum game. A number of people will keep up with wow for new content but let other games, or other MMOs float in.
It's still strong in that sense. I feel like a lot of weeb have been drawn out of the various cheap kimchi and chink mmos and have gone to ffxiv in the last few years but that's just anecdotal on my part.
Ultimately, seems like it's a zero sum game. Not a lot of room for growth right now may just be generational unless there is something out there that can revolutionize the genre as it's kinda niche.
No.1288
>>1287>Not a lot of room for growth right now may just be generational unless there is something out there that can revolutionize the genre as it's kinda niche.The younger crowd are more interested in survival sandbox games like Valheim / Ark / Rust etc. that'll probably be the future of MMO games.
No.1290
>>1287I guess with ESO specifically they're also drawing in an audience from people who usually aren't into MMOs, same with FFXIV. Then again they also tried that shit with FO76 and we all know what happened there
No.1292
>>1291Elder Scrolls Online
No.1299
>>1282the way they did the buy gametime with in game gold was pretty smart
basically it lets irl whales pre-pay for gametime tokens, and if someone has excess gold they then exchange the gold for one of these tokens
so the savvy veteran players can drop their excess gold but blizz still gets their dosh
No.1304
damn i'll say this so
ESO classes/races are definitely lopsided and unbalanced
and the entire gameplay loop is kinda busted
like ffs why even allow allocating attributes if it just boils down to dumping them all into your roles main attribute pool
if you diversify your attributes you just end up being bad at everything
No.1305
>>1299lel, people are retarded. wtf is the appeal of dumping irl money straight into the game??
like i could see maybe if you really appreciated the game and you wanted to support the studio, maybe give it an extra 20 bucks every year or half a year for stupid cosmetic shit or something
but the people shelling out paychecks to get loot they 'really want' from random lootbox?
i'll never understand
No.1311
>>1305I guess it's the same mindset as gambling, except rather than money the rewards are cosmetic shit, jpegs of anime girls or whatever else
No.1313
>>1292wasn't it dead on arrival?
No.1316
>>1313idk, but it still gets updates and DLC constantly so it must be doing pretty well
No.1318
>>1316weird, I remember hearing it was dead in the water and that was years ago.
No.1325
>>1311what i dont understand is why anyone would value that shit enough to get a dopamine rush or whatever other shit causes retardsto be subject to addcition
>>1313>>1316>>1318its fairly small (6 servers total, two per platform, player count in the 6 figures) but theres a new big update dropping in the next month or two
No.1357
>>1325Maybe it's all about the dopamine rush from winning rather than the product itself? idk, but there's a good reason why this shit is being banned in many countries
No.1362
>>1360>Damn son that's some MKUltra tier shit, how is this even legal?They're not the first company to do this.
>>1358https://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.htmlhttps://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3085/behavioral_game_design.php?page=1
>"Each contingency is an arrangement of time, activity, and reward, and there are an infinite number of ways these elements can be combined to produce the pattern of activity you want from your players."Other companies like World of Warcraft have been doing it for decades
No.1366
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>>1362You're just mad because you didn't buy Resource X™
No.1369
>>1366lol they even made it a child in the picture, this shit is plain evil
No.1370
>>1369nothing wrong with that kids dont have any money
if a parent gives their kid a credit card it's their own fault
it's funny watching them cry when their kid buys $3000 worth of overwatch lootboxes
No.1371
>>1370Yeah you're right, but kids are easily influenced and I don't like that it cultivates an idea in their heads that this is a normal and acceptable way to spend money. There are all kinds of horror stories where a kid turns 18, is given some savings from their parents and they spend it all on lootboxes, streamer donations or whatever else. Of course it's still ultimately their fault for being a fucking retard but something about that kind of exploitation just doesn't sit right with me
No.1372
>>1371oh yeah true that shit where someone's parents die and they donate all their inheritance to random twitch streamers is straight nightmare fuel
No.1376
>>1374>kids get bullied over fortnite skins onlinemodern males are such pussies
No.1377
>>1373dude sounds like a total chad
No.1378
>>1371>>1372you've gotta be a total fuckup of a parent that your kid would get their idea of normal from fucking vidya tho
No.1380
>>1374>>1376its like the exact opposite of when i was in school if some kid bragged about his epic halo purchases he'd be mocked relentlessly
No.1387
>>1378It's not necessarily the vidya itself but the people around them playing it. As people pointed out ITT these games actually purposely match non-DLC players with guys who paid for pay2win shit. There's also the peer pressure aspect, from their friends at school as
>>1374 said and from guys on the internet since, worryingly, gaming streamers on Youtube are among the biggest role models for children right now. Also kids are very easily influenced by advertising and there's only really so much that parents can do to prevent that unless you want to cut them off from TV, the internet, vidya and basically every other form of media
No.1397
>>1387>gaming streamers on Youtube are among the biggest role models for children right now. this is the gayest thing ever
i guess this is what happens when you have millenial parents tho
crazy
No.1402
>>1397tbh i don't think there's anything wrong with it, in principle it's no worse than watching cable tv
but the problem is that twitch streamers have figured out that building fake relationships with viewers and pretending to be their friends is way more profitable and much easier than creating high-effort, well-produced content
i can it fucking up some little kid if he thinks pewdiepie or fortnite ninja is really his friend
No.1403
>>1402i think theres a lot of kids who think like that actually
probably not like a significant portion of the population but still enough that we'll probably be seeing some truly bizarre shit in the next decade maybe even a couple shootaroos directed at some of these ecelebs by kids
i kinda hope so now that i mention it that sounds hilarious
No.1406
>>1402I think the fake friends thing is only really a problem with lonely guys who are already desperate in the first place, for example I doubt this simp in
>>1373 has a healthy social life. And these kinds of people are prone to exploitation anyway, if they weren't wasting money on streamers it'd be other things like thots on Onlyfans, anime waifu dakimakuras etc. Plus unless these kids have retard parents who give them access to credit cards they're not gonna have the money to donate to them asking for personal callouts and shit
No.1465
>>1406sonic fanbase is so cursed. ngl
No.1468
>>1465i think its based and redpilled
No.1492
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>>1486>>1491You forgot the Fire Emblems fandom, they're their own worst enemy.
No.1497
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>>1492Nintendies in general are obnoxious as fuck, probably the worst console warriors of the lot
No.1504
>>1491it's not gay to fap to grills with massive fucking horsecocks right?
No.1509
>>1504its coming out of her vag, too.
a very important detail to note
No.1512
>>1511Doesn't the nintendo switch have a SD slot for saving games?
Still can't believe people like this even exist tbh
No.1513
>>1486I liek Tails Gets Trolled budy
No.1516
>>1514pretty sure reddit would immediately ban him if it was genuine
No.1517
>>1516Who knows really? It's reddit so everything is possible
No.1535
>>1532looks pretty good for a fan game
No.1547
>>1532it gave us tamers12345 and for that alone all the creepy shit like
>>1523 was worth it
No.1552
>>1532ngl this looks great. Like Sonic mania tier good
>>1540Fans should make Sonic games forever. Because Sega just can't do it anymore