/v/ - Vidya I Guess

So merchants get all pissy because you work with the Fighters Guild ?
Hmmmm, the "merchants" getting angry with those who work honest labor and rid the land of threats to the people, those "merchants" sure do seem familiar…

I also think its hilarious that the citizens of Daggerfall have no reaction to the fact that each night the town is haunted by a ghost that looks like the Phantasms from Blood and just screams "VENGEANCE" and they go about like nothing.

Also doubly hilarious that Bethesda advertised "radiant quests" for Skyrim as if it was some kind of new content when I'm pretty sure 100% of the content I have done in Daggerfall was all "radiantly" generated.

That dude who is begrudgingly playing Skyrim here. Playan through the civil war questline right now and have to say it's a lot better than I expected and probably the one redeeming aspect of the game I've found so far. I was expecting it to be le good guys vs. literally Hitler but it's a lot more interesting than that. The Stormcloaks, rather than just being generic ebil nazis or whatever, are basically depicted as a group of good, but misguided and disenfranchised men who got duped into supporting a naive nationalist group led by a man who is at best a useful idiot and at worst an actual (((Thalmor))) plant. To compare with irl it's very reminiscent of things like ISIS or the various right-wing groups in Europe. On the other hand the Empire is comprised of people who largely have the same views but keep it under wraps since they're playing the long game. Probably the best political intrigue I've seen in a vidya game made post 2010s honesty, although that's not saying much. As that one anon said it would've been better if the Thalmor were less cartoon villain-ish and maybe even a joinable faction for Altmer players. Maybe also a wild card route like Yes Man in NV would have been cool as well where you fuck them all over and become High King yourself, but it would prolly fuck the lore up even worse than Daggerfall did.

>>7822
>the town is haunted by a ghost that looks like the Phantasms from Blood and just screams "VENGEANCE" and they go about like nothing.
Man I shit myself the first time that happened. Also DF skeletons were spoopy as fuck, wish they kept them like that in the later games.

>>7827
>I was expecting it to be le good guys vs. literally Hitler
That's what the developers intended though. Like I'm pretty sure Todd has come out and said you aren't supposed to side with the Stormcloaks because racism but nobody gives a shit since the Imperials were the ones who try to execute you at the beginning.
>where you fuck them all over and become High King yourself
I honestly thought this is what they were leading up to the first time I played all those years ago and what you described is why I joined the Imperials despite disliking them. Imagine my disappointment when it turned out I was just a useful stooge to kill Ulfric and I was never meant to walk in Tiber Septim's footsteps. Hammerfell was gonna rebel anyways, etc. and none of my choices had any political consequence on the game whatsoever other than maybe killing the Emperor, but if the Dark Brotherhood didn't do it someone else would've anyways.

>>7822
the political sim stuff is all kindsa esoteric
i couldnt even begin to tell you i actually understand it 100%
but basically, when you ask anyone "any news?" theyll sometimes tell you
>oh the summoners of mara were fine with koegria till that incident at the palace
or some shit, indicating theyre now hostile to each other. you cant join the summoners of mara, but you can join the temple of mara itself. each guild in the game has these separate sub-guilds within them. as theyre part of the same guild, ranking up with mara directly causes some spill-over with all their sub-factions. ranking up with them incidentally will also cause you to rank down w any factions theyre at war w in roughly equal measure

faction and sub-faction alliances are set at the beginning of the game, and theres a few that CANT change, but most can change at any point in the game with or without your involvement
in-game the only real consequence is that some ppl might not talk to you theyll offer services still, but at slightly raised prices, although it CAN become an issue if your faction is at war directly with a kingdom youre currently in. once you get to be "a scoundrel" or lower press the I key to check, theyll start sending guards to arrest you on "criminal conspiracy". so that means its time to gtfo unless you rly lik being a political prisoner

its also worth noting fighters guild tough guys are NOT knights of honor or whatever. theyre literal mercs. anyone with coin can hire them. and some jobs they do arent exactly always legal.
if you want the respect and adoration of the people you should look into joining the knightly orders. once youre a knight, all taverns in the kingdom of your order will let you stay for free indefinitely, and apparently theyll eventually even give you a house. idk tho i hardly ever even wear armor so never got that far in them. theres a mod that extends their quests substantially, and i have it installed, i just always end up playing anything other than an honorable knight

>Bethesda advertised "radiant quests" for Skyrim as if it was some kind of new content when I'm pretty sure 100% of the content I have done in Daggerfall was all "radiantly" generated.
imo DF does it far better. i think its mostly the flavor text that makes the difference. in skyrim its usually go there do this thing then come back, with little to hide that its just an errand. DF does the same a lot, but sometimes theres choices, or youll fail, or the initial quest was a trick/trap etc

>>7827
it bums me out that ppl rag on the civil war quest so much tbh. its not the greatest, and it was rly buggy at release, but its also the only questline that has a choice and visible consequences you can fulfill a literal vampire doomsday prophecy and fuckall changes in-game. its the last stand for actual RPing in TES, and you just KNOW theyre never gonna do anything like it ever again. too much effort, too many bugs, and normies hate it. its ogre

one thing tho
ulfric being an asset is only an enemy-of-my-enemy kind of relationship. if you read that dossier in the MQ, the thalmor arent giving him orders. they tortured him and tricked him, but hes def NOT listening to them. its not even clear they currently have any spies within stormcloaks to even slightly control him. they only note that that might be an option further down the road.
hes simply wearing down their future opposition, and thats useful, so they let him do his thang
i also strongly reject the idea of him being a useful idiot. hes retarded, but so are nords, and hes prolly their only hope. torygg wouldntve done shit, idc what that vampire court sorceress that he was enthralled to says. shes obv lying to you, idk why no one notices that. she literally sends you to go die in a cave so that potema could be resurrected in a different cave across the street ffs. and the empire itself is totally co-opted by thalmor anyways, so anyone making a move against them openly would be killed before they could even declare war. ulfric is rly the only option imo

also, elves are fucking pussies and cant reproduce as fast, which is actually a huge deal. the redguards literally just beat tf out of them, so the nords certainly can too. if they try to move against nords within the next century, theyd be btfo so utterly their race might unironically never recover.
also, skyrim is encircled by massive fuckoff mountains, so the only way in is the way trinimac did it: through the sea of ghosts.
i cant think of a place on tamriel that would cause more attrition than naval-to-land attack on the sea of ghosts into a horde of angry nords.

>>7829
>Todd has come out and said you aren't supposed to side with the Stormcloaks because racism
Really? Lmao. I wonder if that's what they really intended and I'm just interpreting it wrong, or if Todd himself is misunderstanding it? I doubt they let him have much say in the writing since his quests in Morrowind were complete ass. Also, I wonder if this would still be the common view if the game was based on Hammerfell's rebellion instead? I'm 100% sure you'd be encouraged to side with the Redguard kangz and queanz to fight against whitey.
>Imagine my disappointment when it turned out I was just a useful stooge to kill Ulfric and I was never meant to walk in Tiber Septim's footsteps
Would've been cool but it would never happen because they never like to disclose details about the MCs in later games. Imagine if TES VI came out and the lore surrounding that event was "So the legendary Dragonborn appeared, singlehandedly beat everyone and crowned himself the new Emperor but we forgot his name, what race he was or if he was a man or woman just because lol". It might work if they did a spin-off with an established MC like Redguard but I can't see them doing that again.

>>7831
There was one note I was thinking of that also said that the Stormcloaks were unknowingly being supplied by Thalmor-owned companies, but now that I think of it that might've been a quest from Beyond: Bruma (good mod, check it out if you decide to play Skyrim for whatever reason). Still, to me the Stormcloak rebellion seems pointless in the long run because they ultimately want the same thing as the Empire anyway. The moment the Empire openly declares war on the Dominion Skyrim and Hammerfell would probably just rejoin them.

>>7831
>consequences
in all fairness Skyrim takes place over the course of what, a month or two? A lot of the "big" consequences in that game are the type of things that take years or decades to have a real impact prior to the creation of electrical lines.

Skyrim has one very important feature that gives it some superiority over all the other elder scroll games.

Hot Goth Vampire GF with Daddy Issues.

>>7843
>Hot Goth Vampire GF with Daddy Issues
was just telling my bro about how there's an entire porn industry built around Skyrim adult mods because of that fucking vampire lmao

>>7843
>hot goth vampire gf
>hot
motherfucker she looks like a 45yo whore w a cemetery for a womb

>>7843
Oblivion had the best waifu, fite me fgt

>>7843
>>7845
serana is the most basic bitch skybabbys first boner there ever was
i actually rly lik how they made her impossible to marry, that shits funny af. they knew all TES fans would seethe
course they also prolly had to know the modders wouldnt take it lying down
poor dumb broad was already raped by molag bal, then ends up getting raped across infinite timelines by every coom-modder ever via the elder scrolls construction set. cant catch a break

who are the 2 psycho poison bitches you could marry?
thats the real shit tbh. the one in markarth was muiri, i remember that one cuz she gives you her ring. and i wanna say the gril in riften was ingi or some weird name lik that? she was a blackbriar. always thought it was a missed opportunity to not be able to help her poison the rest of her family so she could inherit the family business. couldve been a cool quest

>>7844
Skyrim already had a TON of coomer mods but after Serana came out that number probably doubled and then some.
I did play with some face and lighting fix mods >>7845 I cant remember the name but it was years ago so now there are probably way better iterations but it made the face models better and the skin better without looking like those over the top sex doll looks that gooners use.

I just like em pale with dark hair, so Serana will always be goated.
I also always liked that its implied she may be from the First Era but of course they don't really elaborate on that at all in game.

>>7844
Skyrim coom mods kind of fascinate me in a way because people put countless hours of effort into that shit. Those dudes could probably create something amazing if they channeled their autism into something other than crippling porn addiction

>>7849
>if they channeled their autism into something other than crippling porn addiction
thats a BEEEEEEEEEEEEEGGGGGGGGG if

>>7848
>its implied she may be from the First Era
its actually prolly the merethic era
she mentions shes never even heard of "an empire", which means she actually predates allessias slave rebellion. so she was prolly sealed up either before or around that time.
but then iirc she contradicts that cuz i remember she has flavor dialogue for cities lik solitude which literally shouldntve existed yet

idk i think it was a DLC, and they prolly made it in a couple months and recorded all the dialogue already, and said fuck it no one will notice
id have to play it again, and im prolly not gonna, but i bet theres a retcon in there somewhere

>>7849
Ever read about the Skyrim vore mod guy ?
I think its called the "Devouring" or something like that. But he specifically wants the mod to remove ALL male characters, no male player characters, no male npcs and this rule CANNOT be violated by anyone.

Its a hilarious story. Apparently his family and extended family staged an intervention because someone found the vore folder. He apparently lives in the Bible Belt so they sent him to some kind of "Pray the Vore" away retreat. And he is a fedora tipper redditor complaining about it all and being taken away from his precious project. LMFAO.

Skyrim really was like a new generations Sonic, it gave birth to crazy forms of autism.

>>7852
>looked this up and found some leddit page explaining it
>half the comments were people complaining about the christfag parents "kink shaming" him for having a "harmless fetish" and also claiming muh soggy knees for not including men
thanks for reminding me why I don't use the mainstream internet anymore

>>7853
im pretty sure i saw it on kiwifarms, that would have been a way better read than leddit

they had screencaps of his various forum posts and they were pretty fucking funny
i mean what would you expect of reddit ?
the guy is like the stereotypical redditor, they each see a reflection of themselves in him

>>7854
true I should've expected it really but it's not like there's gonna be many other results from searching "Skyrim vore guy" on the normienet

Skyrim Grandma is retiring. She's apparently gonna make quilting videos instead until TES VI releases.

>>7856
>Skyrim Grandma
had to look it up
>88yo
>waiting for TES6
yah idk man thats gonna be cutting it p close
if were to believe the main team was working on starfield until just recently, thats lik MAYBE a release around 2030
being 95 or so and playing a bad game sounds exhausting at best, and lethal at worst

it boggles the mind that starfield was even made in the first place

lik i get wanting to start fresh in a new IP and not be strangled creatively by decades of clusterfuck lore. but its not lik they actually did anything with that opportunity. if anything, it might be the most boring, uninspired space setting ive ever seen in any media, vidya or otherwise. and then after what, lik 6-8yrs of dev, the best story they could come up with was literally just muh dragonborn in spess. and to have the gall to literally call it starborn is just the chefs kiss of insipid bad writing. chatGPT tier

how zenimax and/or microshaft didnt see that bland shitshow and just shut it down and force them to start TES6 is beyond me. theyre the ones that are supposed to be averse to risk

>>7858
play everspace instead

>>7858
what they really should have done is look at Outer Worlds and how it failed and tried to improve, however they made something infinitely worse. everything i have seene of starfield just makes it look like a chore to play

while Outer Worlds was not good, it wasnt terrible, it just fell very flat and ends up very forgettable, tonally its a complete mess, it doesn't quite know what it wants to be or say

>playing "The Forsworn Conspiracy" quest
>the plot involves you finding out that the ones pulling the strings behind a terrorist group are a group of wealthy bankers
>one of them is literally called "Nepos the Nose"
lmao I can't believe Todd got away with this

>>7861
>look it up thinking this was an oblivion quest i somehow missed
>it's a skyream quest
lel

>>7875
The same dude is also one of the targets in a Thieves Guild quest called "The Shill Job", can't make this shit up

>>7879
im p sure those quests are all just radiant nonsense tho, so nearly every NPC can be a target for those

>>7861
>playing "The Forsworn Conspiracy" quest
<hey i think u dropp-
NO
<my letter? no thats yo-
NONONONONONONO
I DONT WANT YOUR FUCKING QUEST
I DONT WANNA GO TO PRISON RN HOLY SHIT
[mash buttons]
NOW GO STAND INDEFINITELY IN THE TEMPLE OF TALOS THAT ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IN-GAME OR IRL SEEMS TO KNOW EXISTS FOR SOME REASON
<madlad actually does it
>calm down
>proceed with adventure
>walk down the street
<have you seen anyone enter or leave this ho-
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

markarth is an absolute minefield for that shit

that said i actually like that one dibella quest you can get from the bum who tries to get you to steal a statue from their inner sanctum the buff you get is also p decent too if you got a female PC.

if they catch you, it sends you to a p fun, but not overly long, forsworn dungeon full of a buncha traps and shit. its implied that theyre some sort of sanguine worshippers and were gonna do a raperino to that poor little gril.
im kinda surprised they had the balls to even hint at that as much as they did. too often in skyrim and oblivion daedra worship is made to seem lik its no big deal, so its nice to see them not shy away from showing some of the fucked up shit those types actually get up to.

Why is that every time I go into a main quest dungeon in Daggerfall, I seem to go to all the place in the whole fucking huge ass dugeon EXCEPT for the path to the room with the item you actually need.

I clear these dungeons like near 90-100% each time before I finally find the branching path that I missed early and didnt choose to go down and it leads me to the quest item. What the fuck lmao.

Playing this game without recall would be an exercise in madness. I wish they had an item like prism stoness in dark souls. I would set certain color stones on certain paths to indicate I traveled on them and to differentiate each path from one another. Would be a neat QOL item, marking the map feels kind shitty because you need to check the map to see it, little marking stones would allow you to just navigate visually.

>>7891
well its always gonna be in the last place you look

for MQ dungeons specifically, its cuz they were designed that way. as opposed to the other dungeons in the game, those were all hand-made, so they almost always have some sort of hidden switch or lever or a torchfuck you nulfaga, or youll click a skull and get teleported away somewhere, or its castle wayrest, so like 75% of the dungeon is just a different dungeon and not where you needed to go in the first place

>I wish they had an item like prism stoness in dark souls.
well outside of marking the map, you kinda do tbh
just drop a drake. if you click the "gold" button in your inventory you can drop single gold coins onto the floor. or just whatever you dont wanna carry. iirc you can even click the picture up on the top right and change what the flat looks like when you drop it, so you can mark things differently

i never bother as im used to the fuckmassive dungeon crawls. i just sorta feel my way around. DFs MQ dungeons are notable tho in that theyre so large i still dont remember how tf to beat them even after playing through them a few times. ill sometimes get to a part and think, "oh yea, gettin close now", then lik an hr later and im still lost lel

finished

i decided to just give the totam to the emperor
like most of the choices outside of the underking and king of worms seem like bad options

like all these kingdoms establish themselves as ruthless petty bastards willing to do anything for power and for purely selfish reasons, i mean at least emperor is going to use that shit to build and epic roman larp empire

last dungeon was the best in the game easily, the main quest dungeons needed more of that uniqueness, definitely want to do a second run sometime with some good mods that add a bit of spice because the generic radiant can be boring

>>7889
Yeah, any time I opt to play Skyrim I either avoid Markath at all costs or make it the very first thing I do before even Whiterun because of that shit. Doesn't help that the quest is broken as all shit and nigs plot items out of your inventory breaking shit.

>>7919
Yeah most of Daggerfall's endings are kinda ass. I always thought of the Underking as being the closest thing to a "good ending". He doesn't have any ulterior motives, dude just wants his soul back so he can finally become an hero after all these years. The Emperor makess sense since that was your mission in the first place, and maybe Mannimarco if you're going for some chaotic evil shit. Gortwog seems okay if you're an Orc Lives Matter kinda guy but he always seemed kinda shady to me for some reason, plus I don't really know why you'd have any sympathy for Orcs in Daggerfall when you're getting attacked by them constantly. I don't know who the fuck unironically sides with any of the nobles though. They send assassins after you the moment you get the Mantella and the reward of 100000 gold is pretty shit when you're normally a multi-millionaire by the end of Daggerfall anyway.

>>7919
>finished
sick
cool game innit?

>most of the choices outside of the underking and king of worms seem like bad options
king of worms is the only one that explicitly doesnt get a LOT of ppl killed. no one gets attacked and numidium isnt even activated. and hes gud on his word, he increases your rep in the whole illiac.
seeing how the underking ending ended up breaking time itself, its hard to even rly understand what the collateral of that is, but in terms of DF itself, its a peaceful end. its at least merciful for zurin, poor bastard

of the three kingdoms id say wayrest might be the most benign. i mean they still kill the other two kingdoms if given the mantella, but thats to be expected in the illiac. and, as far as i understand the intrigue, the crown of wayrest isnt actually the ones responsible for lysandus murder, just princess elyssanna and lord woodborne, who presumably were planning to kill barenziah and eadwyre afterwards

>last dungeon was the best in the game easily, the main quest dungeons needed more of that uniqueness
i agree. a lotta ppl i see playing nowadays seem to hate it. and i guess it prolly would be an absolute bitch with a magic-less character, but i thought it was neat

lemme know and ill screencap my modlist at some point.

>>7921
the empire ending is prolly the MOST destructive, as thats the one that gets numidium used on all 3 major kingdoms

king of worms is, at least in the immediate future, the most peaceful by far. he doesnt even activate the numidium and instead gets his apotheosis and fucks off forever to become a moon/god of necromancy or whatever

gortwog, similar to the empire ending, gets everyone else nuked, but they kinda had it coming tbf. plus i lik his letter he sends to try to convince you. its the most well-written one and, even better, isnt a thinly-veiled threat to your life if you disobey him

>the reward of 100000 gold is pretty shit when you're normally a multi-millionaire by the end of Daggerfall anyway
gotta get limitedgoldshops mod
does what it says on the tin, and you can even limit bank loans being totally game-breaking. i find 10k per lvl to be a gud limit. that way you can still get a loan if you need some for daedra summoning, but no more multi-million drake loans with zero consequences. between that and unleveled loot mod and it becomes genuinely difficult to get even 1M, even if youre robbin an stealin all day erryday

>>7923
>you can even limit bank loans being totally game-breaking.
idk man going to some random province, robbing the bank blind and then fucking off never to be seen again although broken feels like an essential part of my playthroughs at this point, kinda like stealing the limeware platter in Morrowind. I did at least install a mod where they send bounty hunters after you to make it more interesting tho.

>>7924
its fun the first few times i guess
my problem is that the hobo phase is the most fun. and when you can take out 100k loan as soon as you get to gothway, thats too broken for there to even be a hobo phase anymore

playable crik monkr race coming soon™ in Tamriel Rebuilt
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO

>>7936
no pajeet accent 0/10

>>7936
they need a quest where they are scamming elderly imperials out of their savings and if you go against them they start shouting FUK YU BLOODY

hm hm naruhodo (doesn't naruhodo at all)

>>7948
I was reading the TR trannycord once and apparently there's an engine limitation in Morrowind where water can only be at ground level. Explains why Gnisis always looked so weird to me.

>>7952
it must just be a simple way of coding/dealing with water cuz thats far from the only engine ive heard where it works like that

i know vanilla engine daggerfall is the same way
for that matter i think unity itself has the same issue which is why theres no real rivers mod for DFU
but thats why most of the lakes in DF end up looking like fingerlakes, with these steep ass cliffs that drop into the lake, cuz it needs to make up for that change in elevation

so what are the gud towns in TR?
it kinda looks like telvanni area is the most developed from what ive seen of it, but i havent been down south much yet
was thinking of joining telvanni, just so i dont have to go to like a thousand different telvanni wizards during the hortator quest. i remember one of you fags said that shit was rly annoying and i kinda wanted to build up tel uvirith w that one mod for myself anyways

>>7956
I haven't played it for a few years so there's probably a lot of stuff I don't know about but the main cities I remember are Old Ebonheart, Port Telvannis and Necrom so I guess just try checking those out and explore the areas around them. Telanni has the most quests but I think one of the newer updates also added some Hlaalu stuff if you want to go that route.
>just so i dont have to go to like a thousand different telvanni wizards during the hortator quest. i remember one of you fags said that shit was rly annoying
TR comes with an optional file called TR_Factions.esp or something like that which adds the MQ integration (I think there are now mainland Ashlander tribes you have to find now as well as Telvanni dudes) and also slows down the progression in guilds since there's a lot more quests for them now. You can disable it if you just want the OG MQ.